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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 14.02.07 12:58 Uhr |
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Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
here who'll want to sign it:
[externer Link]
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 14.02.07 14:51 Uhr |
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On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell" <simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
wrote:
|!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
|!here who'll want to sign it:
|![externer Link]
I like windfarms.
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 14.02.07 16:05 Uhr |
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Dave Fawthrop wrote:
> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell" <simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> !Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
>> !here who'll want to sign it:
>> ![externer Link]
>
> I like windfarms.
Can we build ours around you then?
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We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to withdraw all
subsidies and support to on-shore wind farms in valued landscapes.
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 14.02.07 16:41 Uhr |
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Arecibo wrote:
>
> Dave Fawthrop wrote:
>
>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"
>> <simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> !Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
>>> !here who'll want to sign it:
>>> ![externer Link]
>>
>> I like windfarms.
>
> Can we build ours around you then?
>
Why not just build them in Scotland ?
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 14.02.07 18:23 Uhr |
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Boo wrote:
> Arecibo wrote:
>>
>> Dave Fawthrop wrote:
>>
>>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"
>>> <simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> !Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
>>>> !here who'll want to sign it:
>>>> ![externer Link]
>>>
>>> I like windfarms.
>>
>> Can we build ours around you then?
>>
>
> Why not just build them in Scotland ?
>
I realise that I am not being logical, but I hate them with all my
heart. I latch onto all the negative publicity, such as that they do not
generate much electricity and they have to have back up power stations
anyway.
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 14.02.07 21:39 Uhr |
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> I realise that I am not being logical, but I hate them with all my
> heart. I latch onto all the negative publicity, such as that they do not
> generate much electricity and they have to have back up power stations
> anyway.
You can still have CO2 output savings whilst needing backup power stations for
the times when wind turbines aren't generating much.
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Boo
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 14.02.07 22:56 Uhr |
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Bitstring <0Yadnf45j_E4sE7YnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@biscit.net>, from the
wonderful person Boo <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net> said
>Arecibo wrote:
>> Dave Fawthrop wrote:
>>
>>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"
>>><simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> !Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
>>>> !here who'll want to sign it:
>>>> ![externer Link]
>>>
>>> I like windfarms.
>> Can we build ours around you then?
>>
>
>Why not just build them in Scotland ?
Because you then need 100s of miles of power pylons staggering across
the country to where the demand is (where the people are)??
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7,627 Km walked. 1,352Km PROWs surveyed. 24.6% complete.
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 15.02.07 08:37 Uhr |
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:56:28 +0000, GSV Three Minds in a Can
<GSV@quik.clara.co.uk> wrote:
|!Bitstring <0Yadnf45j_E4sE7YnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@biscit.net>, from the
|!wonderful person Boo <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net> said
|!>Arecibo wrote:
|!>> Dave Fawthrop wrote:
|!>>
|!>>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"
|!>>><simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
|!>>> wrote:
|!>>>
|!>>>> !Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
|!>>>> !here who'll want to sign it:
|!>>>> ![externer Link]
|!>>>
|!>>> I like windfarms.
|!>> Can we build ours around you then?
|!>>
|!>
|!>Why not just build them in Scotland ?
|!
|!Because you then need 100s of miles of power pylons staggering across
|!the country to where the demand is (where the people are)??
Living in Yorkshire where the coalfields are/were we have lots of National
Grid lines. I walked under one yesterday and did not think it too
intrusive.
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 15.02.07 11:36 Uhr |
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Dave Fawthrop wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:56:28 +0000, GSV Three Minds in a Can
> <GSV@quik.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> !Bitstring <0Yadnf45j_E4sE7YnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@biscit.net>, from the
>> !wonderful person Boo <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net>
>> said !>Arecibo wrote:
>> !>> Dave Fawthrop wrote:
>> !>>
>> !>>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"
>> !>>><simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
>> !>>> wrote:
>> !>>>
>> !>>>> !Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk
>> round !>>>> !here who'll want to sign it:
>> !>>>> ![externer Link]
>> !>>>
>> !>>> I like windfarms.
>> !>> Can we build ours around you then?
>> !>>
>> !>
>> !>Why not just build them in Scotland ?
>> !
>> !Because you then need 100s of miles of power pylons staggering
>> across !the country to where the demand is (where the people are)??
>
> Living in Yorkshire where the coalfields are/were we have lots of
> National Grid lines. I walked under one yesterday and did not think
> it too intrusive.
And you think that they can simply hook up a turbine to an existing line?
Not that simple I'm afraid, even if you decided to build a turbine slap bang
next door to a power station....
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 15.02.07 12:41 Uhr |
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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:36:32 -0000, " cupra" <NOcupra.sSPAM@gmail.com>
wrote:
|!Dave Fawthrop wrote:
|!> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:56:28 +0000, GSV Three Minds in a Can
|!> <GSV@quik.clara.co.uk> wrote:
|!>
|!>> !Bitstring <0Yadnf45j_E4sE7YnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@biscit.net>, from the
|!>> !wonderful person Boo <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net>
|!>> said !>Arecibo wrote:
|!>> !>> Dave Fawthrop wrote:
|!>> !>>
|!>> !>>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"
|!>> !>>><simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
|!>> !>>> wrote:
|!>> !>>>
|!>> !>>>> !Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk
|!>> round !>>>> !here who'll want to sign it:
|!>> !>>>> ![externer Link]
|!>> !>>>
|!>> !>>> I like windfarms.
|!>> !>> Can we build ours around you then?
|!>> !>>
|!>> !>
|!>> !>Why not just build them in Scotland ?
|!>> !
|!>> !Because you then need 100s of miles of power pylons staggering
|!>> across !the country to where the demand is (where the people are)??
|!>
|!> Living in Yorkshire where the coalfields are/were we have lots of
|!> National Grid lines. I walked under one yesterday and did not think
|!> it too intrusive.
|!
|!And you think that they can simply hook up a turbine to an existing line?
|!Not that simple I'm afraid, even if you decided to build a turbine slap bang
|!next door to a power station....
Which has nothing to do with my post.
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 15.02.07 14:15 Uhr |
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Dave Fawthrop wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:36:32 -0000, " cupra"
> <NOcupra.sSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> !Dave Fawthrop wrote:
>> !> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:56:28 +0000, GSV Three Minds in a Can
>> !> <GSV@quik.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>> !>
>> !>> !Bitstring <0Yadnf45j_E4sE7YnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@biscit.net>, from
>> the !>> !wonderful person Boo
>> <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net> !>> said !>Arecibo wrote:
>> !>> !>> Dave Fawthrop wrote:
>> !>> !>>
>> !>> !>>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"
>> !>> !>>><simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
>> !>> !>>> wrote:
>> !>> !>>>
>> !>> !>>>> !Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few
>> folk !>> round !>>>> !here who'll want to sign it:
>> !>> !>>>> ![externer Link]
>> !>> !>>>
>> !>> !>>> I like windfarms.
>> !>> !>> Can we build ours around you then?
>> !>> !>>
>> !>> !>
>> !>> !>Why not just build them in Scotland ?
>> !>> !
>> !>> !Because you then need 100s of miles of power pylons staggering
>> !>> across !the country to where the demand is (where the people
>> are)?? !>
>> !> Living in Yorkshire where the coalfields are/were we have lots of
>> !> National Grid lines. I walked under one yesterday and did not
>> think !> it too intrusive.
>> !
>> !And you think that they can simply hook up a turbine to an existing
>> line? !Not that simple I'm afraid, even if you decided to build a
>> turbine slap bang !next door to a power station....
>
> Which has nothing to do with my post.
OP - Petition about 'intrusive' wind farms.
Previous comment - 100's of miles of pylons.
Your comment - existing pylons not intrusive.
My comment.... linking existing pylons and new wind farms <> possible in all
cases so more 'intrusive' pylons required which increase industrialisation
of the countryside, matching up nicely with the petition....
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 15.02.07 11:12 Uhr |
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GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:
> Bitstring <0Yadnf45j_E4sE7YnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@biscit.net>, from the
> wonderful person Boo <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net> said
>> Arecibo wrote:
>>> Dave Fawthrop wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"
>>>> <simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> !Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
>>>>> !here who'll want to sign it:
>>>>> ![externer Link]
>>>>
>>>> I like windfarms.
>>> Can we build ours around you then?
>>>
>>
>> Why not just build them in Scotland ?
>
> Because you then need 100s of miles of power pylons staggering across
> the country to where the demand is (where the people are)??
>
Why not send the electricity down in tankers like they currently do with our oil ?
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 15.02.07 11:45 Uhr |
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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:12:20 +0000, Boo
<reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net> wrote:
|!GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:
|!> Bitstring <0Yadnf45j_E4sE7YnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@biscit.net>, from the
|!> wonderful person Boo <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net> said
|!>> Arecibo wrote:
|!>>> Dave Fawthrop wrote:
|!>>>
|!>>>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"
|!>>>> <simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
|!>>>> wrote:
|!>>>>
|!>>>>> !Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
|!>>>>> !here who'll want to sign it:
|!>>>>> ![externer Link]
|!>>>>
|!>>>> I like windfarms.
|!>>> Can we build ours around you then?
|!>>>
|!>>
|!>> Why not just build them in Scotland ?
|!>
|!> Because you then need 100s of miles of power pylons staggering across
|!> the country to where the demand is (where the people are)??
|!>
|!Why not send the electricity down in tankers like they currently do with our oil ?
ROTFLMAO Electricity can not be stored.
Some day it may be possible to turn the power into hydrogen and transport
that, but it is impossible ATM.
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 15.02.07 12:04 Uhr |
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Dave Fawthrop wrote:
> ROTFLMAO Electricity can not be stored.
Perhaps Boo was, just /possibly/, being facetious?
> Some day it may be possible to turn the power into hydrogen and transport
> that, but it is impossible ATM.
So what about these so-called "battery" thingies I've been hearing
about? ;-)
Pete.
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 15.02.07 12:43 Uhr |
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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:04:51 +0000, Peter Clinch <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk>
wrote:
|!Dave Fawthrop wrote:
|!
|!> ROTFLMAO Electricity can not be stored.
|!
|!Perhaps Boo was, just /possibly/, being facetious?
|!
|!> Some day it may be possible to turn the power into hydrogen and transport
|!> that, but it is impossible ATM.
|!
|!So what about these so-called "battery" thingies I've been hearing
|!about? ;-)
Should have mentioned large quantities. :-(
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 15.02.07 23:05 Uhr |
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In message <53it2kF1srv7gU1@mid.individual.net>, Peter Clinch
<p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> writes
>Dave Fawthrop wrote:
>
>> ROTFLMAO Electricity can not be stored.
>
>Perhaps Boo was, just /possibly/, being facetious?
>
>> Some day it may be possible to turn the power into hydrogen and transport
>> that, but it is impossible ATM.
>
>So what about these so-called "battery" thingies I've been hearing
>about? ;-)
>
>Pete.
For shame Peter :-)
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 15.02.07 23:33 Uhr |
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> So what about these so-called "battery" thingies I've been hearing
> about? ;-)
A decent battery would go a long way to help the fight against GW it's true.
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 14.02.07 21:40 Uhr |
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"Arecibo" <arecibo@invalid.net> writes:
> Dave Fawthrop wrote:
>
>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell" <simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> !Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk
>>> !round here who'll want to sign it:
>>> ![externer Link]
>>
>> I like windfarms.
>
> Can we build ours around you then?
Please do! I'd be much happier with them than with a conventional
power plant. There's a whole 11 acres opposite my place, you can put
as many as you like there.
Chris
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 14.02.07 21:39 Uhr |
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Dave Fawthrop <invalid@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> writes:
> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell" <simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> |!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
> |!here who'll want to sign it:
> |![externer Link]
>
> I like windfarms.
Me too. They're mesmerising.
Chris
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 15.02.07 00:25 Uhr |
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Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:39:13 <m2lkj05v9q.fsf@ecube.hyperspace.org.uk>
uk.rec.climbing Chris Eilbeck <usenet@hyperspace.org.uk>
>Dave Fawthrop <invalid@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell" <simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> |!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
>> |!here who'll want to sign it:
>> |![externer Link]
>>
>> I like windfarms.
>
>Me too. They're mesmerising.
AOL. I like them. One of the most stunning views I have ever seen or
photographed, the kind that settles in your mind, is wind turbines in
southern California. Sheer beauty, power of nature utilised in the
landscape.
What a pity the petition doesn't have an option for people to vote
against it.
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 15.02.07 08:41 Uhr |
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:25:02 +0000, "Wm..."
<tcnw71@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> wrote:
|!Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:39:13 <m2lkj05v9q.fsf@ecube.hyperspace.org.uk>
|!uk.rec.climbing Chris Eilbeck <usenet@hyperspace.org.uk>
|!
|!>Dave Fawthrop <invalid@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> writes:
|!>
|!>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell" <simonjcaldwell@gmail.com>
|!>> wrote:
|!>>
|!>> |!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
|!>> |!here who'll want to sign it:
|!>> |![externer Link]
|!>>
|!>> I like windfarms.
|!>
|!>Me too. They're mesmerising.
|!
|!AOL. I like them. One of the most stunning views I have ever seen or
|!photographed, the kind that settles in your mind, is wind turbines in
|!southern California. Sheer beauty, power of nature utilised in the
|!landscape.
I have a good photo of a wind farm in the Netherlands, It was a minor
tourist attraction, complete with notice boards etc. Some Dutch [people
visited while we were there.
|!What a pity the petition doesn't have an option for people to vote
|!against it.
Then start one pro wind farms.
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 15.02.07 02:12 Uhr |
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On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800 in uk.rec.climbing Simon Caldwell may have written:
> Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
> here who'll want to sign it:
> [externer Link]
Is it a petition _for_ wind-farms because they're much better than
coal-fired stations or a petition _against_ wind-farms bceause
hyporitcal whingers don't want them in their own back-yard? ;)
It's a bit like mobile towers really. "Reception at my house sucks! Why
can't they fix it?" vs "I don't want an ugly cancer-causing mobile phone
tower near me!". Can't have your cake and eat it too. :)
PD
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 16.02.07 01:18 Uhr |
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In message <1171498406.769017@colossus.enigma.id.au>
Paul Day <pauls@enigma.id.au> wrote:
> Is it a petition _for_ wind-farms because they're much better than
> coal-fired stations or a petition _against_ wind-farms bceause
> hyporitcal whingers don't want them in their own back-yard? ;)
Funny, I find those wanting wind farms incredibly hypocritical.
> It's a bit like mobile towers really. "Reception at my house sucks! Why
> can't they fix it?" vs "I don't want an ugly cancer-causing mobile phone
> tower near me!". Can't have your cake and eat it too. :)
And I can't stand mobile phones, so no reception and no mast is perfectly
fine by me!
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Wind Farms Petition | | Bergsteiger beim Bergsteigen | 25.02.07 17:06 Uhr |
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On 15 Feb 2007 09:12:55 +0800, Paul Day <pauls@enigma.id.au> wrote:
>
>Is it a petition _for_ wind-farms because they're much better than
>coal-fired stations or a petition _against_ wind-farms bceause
>hyporitcal whingers don't want them in their own back-yard? ;)
Try reading it. It's a petition against inappropriately sited
windfarms. Like the one on Lewis, which apart from the affect it will
have locally, will require a line of huge pylons through the middle of
the Highlands to transport the power south. Or rather, transport 75%
of it, the rest will be lost.
I want wind farms in my own back yard please. I don't want them to
ruin what little wild land we have left. And it's not as if we won't
still need conventional power stations for when there isn't any wind.
>
>It's a bit like mobile towers really. "Reception at my house sucks! Why
>can't they fix it?" vs "I don't want an ugly cancer-causing mobile phone
>tower near me!". Can't have your cake and eat it too. :)
It's only like mobile phone towers if they're proposing on erecting
them on top of our hills and mountains. Which they're not - yet.
Simon
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Hi, Simon & all,
"Simon Caldwell" <simonjcaldwell@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171454291.722419.153200@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
> here who'll want to sign it:
> [externer Link]
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> Simon
Yes, I think onshore wind farms are generally a pretty stupid idea, and
especially the giant ones proposed for Scotland, since the power isn't
needed up there and the super-grid connection to where it is needed
(basically the south-east of England) will (a) cost a fortune and (b) be
another environmental catastrophe.
We've been successful locally in stopping (pending Appeal) a scheme in an
area which is Green Belt, and also carries other protective designations
including SSSIs. Our campaign is at
[externer Link] in case anyone else here is fighting
such monsters.
Getting even further off topic, there's another Petition about the proposed
ID scheme at [externer Link]
HTH,
Steve P
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